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Latest posts from topic “Campionamento ideale di una cosinusoide” Latest posts from topic “Campionamento ideale di una cosinusoide” on “ElectroYou”. 2017-09-18T18:44:04Z https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=70795 Re: Campionamento ideale di una cosinusoide https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=70795#p730319 gac 2017-09-19T13:31:34Z 2017-09-19T13:31:34Z
Prego figurati O_/

Esatto, non avevo letto la modifica :D
Re: Campionamento ideale di una cosinusoide https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=70795#p730318 banjoman 2017-09-19T13:27:30Z 2017-09-19T13:27:30Z
Abbiamo scritto nel medesimo istante. :D
Grazie per il tuo prezioso aiuto! :ok:
Re: Campionamento ideale di una cosinusoide https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=70795#p730317 gac 2017-09-19T13:25:41Z 2017-09-19T13:25:41Z
Siccome n assume valori infiniti, l'offset può essere trascurato, tanto il treno di impulsi non cambia, nel senso che le frequenze a cui le delta si trovano sono le stesse, quindi

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Re: Campionamento ideale di una cosinusoide https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=70795#p730313 banjoman 2017-09-19T13:18:49Z 2017-09-19T13:18:49Z
Ottimo ma...proseguendo la tua esposizione, il risultato finale che io citavo all'inizio

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in base a quale ragionamento/deduzione matematico viene ottenuto?

Possiamo dire forse che, essendo una sommatoria di infiniti termini

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?
Re: Campionamento ideale di una cosinusoide https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=70795#p730302 gac 2017-09-19T12:15:42Z 2017-09-19T12:15:42Z
Provo a darti questa spiegazione, non so se sarà chiara.

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quindi - sfruttando la linearità della sommatoria - si riscrive come

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Ho usato una variabile k per la seconda sommatoria. Si può osservare che per k=n+4 le delta di dirac si sovrappongono perfettamente, per esempio con n=-2 e k=2 si hanno due delta centrate in 0. Dal momento che i coefficienti della sommatoria sono infiniti, ci saranno infinite coppie sovrapposte, quindi puoi semplicemente trattare le sue sommatorie come il doppio di una delle due, ovvero

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Re: Campionamento ideale di una cosinusoide https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=70795#p730288 banjoman 2017-09-19T11:03:26Z 2017-09-19T11:03:26Z
Credo si debba ragionare cosi': abbiamo una sommatoria di coppie di delta simmetricamente disposte a

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e
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E' chiaro che la loro ampiezza e' identica (unitaria).

Allora

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(per esempio)

Dato che la sommatoria si estende da meno inf a piu' inf, scrivere

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equivale a dire

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dove sfruttiamo la proprieta'

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e' evidente che allora possiamo dire che alla fine,

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Siete d'accordo col mio ragionamento?
Campionamento ideale di una cosinusoide https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=70795#p730175 banjoman 2017-09-18T18:44:04Z 2017-09-18T18:44:04Z
Mi ritrovo a ripassare alcune cosette studiate taaanti anni fa e come al solito ogni tanto mi "inceppo" (arteriosclerosi galoppante?).
Ho una cosinusoide di frequenza f_m e la sottocampiono volutamente, per visualizzare cosa accade quando non si rispetta la condizione di Nyquist.

La cosinusoide nel dominio della frequenza sara' espressa come:
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Sia f_s=1/T_s la frequenza di campionamento. Con un campionamento ideale si ottiene:

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Pongo volutamente f_s=\frac{1}{2}f_m (sottocampiono a meta' della frequenza della sinusoide). Si ottiene allora:

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Il mio problema e' che non riesco a capire come si ottiene l'ultima espressione. Sono sicuro che mi sto perdendo in un bicchier d'acqua ma tant'e... :roll: