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Latest posts from topic “esercizio trifase” Latest posts from topic “esercizio trifase” on “ElectroYou”. 2016-10-03T10:43:33Z https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=65991 Re: esercizio trifase https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=65991#p671772 admin 2016-10-04T12:10:35Z 2016-10-04T12:10:35Z
Ho svolto i calcoli utilizzando prevalentemete Boucherot, tranne per la somma vettoriale finale, ed inserendo le dovute indicazioni delle grandezze nello schema e trovo in pratica il risultato che anche tu Foto Utentepietro1990 hai trovato



\begin{array}{l}
{I_l} = \frac{{\sqrt {P_2^2 + Q_2^2} }}{{\sqrt 3 U}} = \frac{{\sqrt {{{12}^2} + {{10}^2}} }}{{\sqrt 3  \times 380}} \times {10^3} = 23{,}7 \, {\rm{A}}\\
{{\dot Z}_l} = 0,85 + {\rm{j}}0,24\\
{Q_l} = 3 \times 0,24 \times {23,7^2} = 404 \, {\mathop{\rm var}} \\
{P_l} = 3 \times 0,85 \times {23,7^2} = 1432 \, {\rm{W}}
\end{array}

\begin{array}{l}
{P_{l2}} = {P_l} + {P_2} = 1432 + 12000 = 13432 \, {\rm{W}}\\
{Q_{l2}} = {Q_l} + {Q_2} = 404 + 10000 = 10404 \, {\rm{W}}\\
{U_a} = \frac{{\sqrt {P_{l2}^2 + Q_{l2}^2} }}{{\sqrt 3 {I_l}}} = \frac{{\sqrt {{{13432}^2} + {{10404}^2}} }}{{\sqrt 3  \times 23{,}7}} = 414 \, {\rm{V}}\\
{{\dot Z}_a} = \sqrt {{{12}^2} + {{10}^2}} \angle \arctan \frac{{10}}{{12}} = 15{,}6\angle 39,8\\
{S_a} = 3\frac{{U_1^2}}{{{Z_a}}} = 3\frac{{{{414}^2}}}{{15{,}6}} = 32961 \, {\rm{VA}}\\
{I_a} = \frac{{{S_a}}}{{\sqrt 3  \times {U_a}}} = \frac{{32961}}{{\sqrt 3  \times 414}} = 45{,}9 \, {\rm{A}}
\end{array}

\begin{array}{l}
{P_a} = 32961 \times \cos 39,8 = 25323W\\
{Q_a} = 32961 \times \sin 39,8 = 21098{\mathop{\rm var}} \\
{P_{tot}} = {P_{l2}} + {P_a} = 13432 + 25323 = 38755{\rm{W}}\\
{Q_{tot}} = {Q_{l2}} + {Q_a} = 10404 + 21098 = 31502{\mathop{\rm var}} \\
{I_{tot}} = \frac{{\sqrt {P_{tot}^2 + Q_{tot}^2} }}{{\sqrt 3 {U_1}}} = \frac{{\sqrt {{{38755}^2} + {{31502}^2}} }}{{\sqrt 3  \times 414}} \times {10^3} = 69,6{\rm{A}}\\
{\varphi _{tot}} = \arctan \frac{{{Q_{tot}}}}{{{P_{tot}}}} = \arctan \frac{{34530}}{{38755}} = 39,1^\circ 
\end{array}

\begin{array}{l}
{{\dot Z}_b} = \sqrt {{{15}^2} + {8^2}} \angle \arctan \frac{8}{{15}} = 17\angle 28^\circ \\
{I_b} = \frac{{{U_a}}}{{{Z_b}}} = \frac{{414}}{{17}} = 24{,}3 \, {\rm{A}}
\end{array}
Assumendo a fase zero la tensione stellata E_a

\begin{array}{l}
{{\dot I}_A} = {{\dot I}_{tot2}} - {{\dot I}_b} = 69{,}6\angle  - 159,1^\circ  - 24{,}3\angle 2^\circ  =  - 65 - {\rm{j}}24{,}8 - 24{,}3 + {\rm{j0,85}} = \\
 =  - 89{,}3 - j23{,}15 = 92{,}3\angle 195^\circ  \, {\rm{A}}
\end{array}

Re: esercizio trifase https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=65991#p671663 claudiocedrone 2016-10-03T19:49:27Z 2016-10-03T19:49:27Z
:-) Bene, ulteriore appunto "formale"; quando metti un apice tra parentesi come p.es. [unparseable or potentially dangerous latex formula]
devi racchiuderlo ulteriormente tra parentesi graffe, altrimenti la parentesi finale ")" ti viene "normale" (punta il cursore sul latex che ho scritto io e ti appare la sintassi) esterna all'apice; idem per i pedici; o per meglio dire, in generale, quando un apice o un pedice sono composti da più di un carattere, occorre racchiuderli tra parentesi graffe. O_/
P.s. Le parentesi graffe mi hanno fatto dannare poiché non le trovavo sulla tastiera, ho chiesto lumi in proposito e ho scoperto che erano praticamente "intese" come maiuscolo delle parentesi quadre... e quindi per ottenerle bastava aggiungere lo shift ai tasti da premere per ottenere le quadre... { } { } { } { } :mrgreen:
Re: esercizio trifase https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=65991#p671656 admin 2016-10-03T19:16:14Z 2016-10-03T19:16:14Z
Il procedimento è corretto. I calcoli non li ho controllati ma mi pare che il valore finale della corrente possa andare bene
Re: esercizio trifase https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=65991#p671637 claudiocedrone 2016-10-03T16:37:22Z 2016-10-03T16:37:22Z
:-) Solo una "formalità"... quando ti trovi a dover inserire nelle formule il segno di moltiplicazione non usare "*" (*) che si usa per indicare la convoluzione; usa "\times" (\times) o "\cdot" (\cdot) ;-) O_/
Re: esercizio trifase https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=65991#p671630 pietro1990 2016-10-03T16:05:20Z 2016-10-03T16:05:20Z
Ho calcolato Ptot= Pl+P2=13432 W e Qtot= Ql+Q2=10404 var .Da\sqrt {P^2+Q^2}=3\cdot E1 \cdot IL ,ho ricavato E1=239V.Posto [unparseable or potentially dangerous latex formula], [unparseable or potentially dangerous latex formula],[unparseable or potentially dangerous latex formula], ho ricavato [unparseable or potentially dangerous latex formula].A questo punto ho ricavato[unparseable or potentially dangerous latex formula], [unparseable or potentially dangerous latex formula],[unparseable or potentially dangerous latex formula]. Posto [unparseable or potentially dangerous latex formula], ho ricavato [unparseable or potentially dangerous latex formula]. Quindi ho posto [unparseable or potentially dangerous latex formula], [unparseable or potentially dangerous latex formula],[unparseable or potentially dangerous latex formula]. Poi ho calcolato [unparseable or potentially dangerous latex formula], e [unparseable or potentially dangerous latex formula]. Quindi [unparseable or potentially dangerous latex formula] , da cui la lettura dell'amperometro é 93 A.

Mi scuso , non ero riuscito ad inserire tutte le formule in LaTeX adesso ho corretto
Re: esercizio trifase https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=65991#p671592 admin 2016-10-03T13:08:23Z 2016-10-03T13:08:23Z
Mi sembra vada bene anche se è faticoso leggere le formule. Devi usare sempre LaTeX
Re: esercizio trifase https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=65991#p671590 pietro1990 2016-10-03T12:58:19Z 2016-10-03T12:58:19Z
Ho calcolato Ptot= Pl+P2=13432 W e Qtot= Ql+Q2=10404 var.Da \sqrt {P^2+Q^2}=3*E1*IL ,ho ricavato E1=239 V.Posto E1=239e^(j0°), E2=239e^(-j120°), E3=239e^(-j240°), ho ricavato \phi tot=\arctan \frac P Q = arctan (10404/13432)=37.8°.A questo punto ho ricavato I1L=23,7e^(-j37.8°), I2L=23,7e^(-j157,8°), I3L=23,7e^(-j277,8°). Posto E1=(12+10j)* I1a, ho ricavato I1_a =\frac{239 e^0 }{4+3,33j} = 46 e^(-j40°). Quindi ho posto I1a=46e^(-j40°), I2a=46e^(-j160°), I3a=46e^(-j280°). Poi ho calcolato V12=\sqrt {3} \cdot E1 =414e^(j30°), e Ib =\frac{414 e^{30}}{15+8j} =24,4e^(j2°). Quindi I2=-Ib+I2l+I2a =93e^(-j164°) , da cui la lettura dell'amperometro é 93 A
Re: esercizio trifase https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=65991#p671566 admin 2016-10-03T11:36:57Z 2016-10-03T11:36:57Z
Si, se i calcoli sono giusti
Re: esercizio trifase https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=65991#p671564 pietro1990 2016-10-03T11:27:58Z 2016-10-03T11:27:58Z
Ho ricavato Pl= 3*R*Il^2= 3*0,85* (23,7^2)=1432 W e Ql=3*X*Il^2=3*0,24*23.7^2=404 var. Quindi sommando ho ricavato Ptot= Pl+P2=13432 W , Qtot=Ql+Q2=10404 var. E' corretto?
Re: esercizio trifase https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=65991#p671556 admin 2016-10-03T10:43:33Z 2016-10-03T10:43:33Z
[quote="pietro1990"]Poi ho calcolato la tensione agente sull'impedenza Zl , El=|Zl|*Il= \sqrt {0,85^2+0,24^2}\cdot 23,7 =21 V. Ho ricavato la tensione E1 come somma di quella agente su Zl e sul carico 2 ,ottenendo E1= 21+219=240 V.

Intanto qui.
La caduta su Zl non si calcola in quel modo né si somma aritmeticamente a quella agente sul carico 2.
Ti conviene applicare il metodo delle potenze (Boucherot) quindi calcolare potenza attiva e reattiva su Zl, aggiungerle a potenza attiva e reattiva del carico 2, quindi, nota la corrente che hai ricavato su Zl, ricavare la tensione a monte ddi essa