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Latest posts from topic “Diagramma di Nyquist” Latest posts from topic “Diagramma di Nyquist” on “ElectroYou”. 2019-01-06T17:59:21Z https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=76431 Re: Diagramma di Nyquist https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=76431#p801242 EdmondDantes 2019-01-06T19:17:15Z 2019-01-06T19:17:15Z
Si', il programma ha spostato soltanto gli assi, salvo eventuali "intrighi" matematici/informatici a me sconosciuti.

Se e' cosi', hai perso solo tempo. Mi pare di capire che eri riuscito a disegnare il diagramma qualitativo.
Pero' c'è stato un risvolto positivo. Ti ha insinuato un dubbio: significa che devi studiare meglio questo argomento. ;-)
Re: Diagramma di Nyquist https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=76431#p801240 xyz 2019-01-06T19:14:33Z 2019-01-06T19:14:33Z
Credo che abbia fatto la seguente richiesta a WolframAlpha:

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=N ... F(s%2B1%29

bisogna poi saper interpretare quello che si ottiene.
Re: Diagramma di Nyquist https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=76431#p801239 EdmondDantes 2019-01-06T19:07:21Z 2019-01-06T19:07:21Z
Non ci sono altre intersezioni.
Non ho mai usato quel programma, ma credo che abbia solo spostato gli assi, facendo apparire queste intersezioni.
Leggi bene i valori riportati negli assi. Vedi che i punti piu' estremi sono 0 e 1?

Ti consiglio di concentrarti esclusivamente sullo studio e di tralasciare questi strumenti informatici, almeno all'inizio.

P.S.
Impara a scrivere le formule in LaTeX.

Ripeto. Anche qui vale la firma di Foto UtenteIsidoroKZ, parafrasandola.
Per utilizzare WolframAlpha, bisogna conoscere più matematica di lui.
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Re: Diagramma di Nyquist https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=76431#p801238 EdmondDantes 2019-01-06T18:52:16Z 2019-01-06T18:52:16Z
A frequenze elevate il modulo e' nullo e la fase tende a -\frac{\pi }{2}.
Questo significa che a frequenze elevate il diagramma tende all'origine del piano, tangente all'asse immaginario.
La funzione non ha poli e zeri nell'origine, quindi per \omega =0 il diagramma parte dal punto 1 (reale). Appena ti sposti verso \omega =0^{+}, la fase tende a valori negativi. Questo significa che il tracciamento del diagramma per \omega >0 avviene a partire dal punto 1 e in verso orario.



rimanendo nel quarto quadrante, considerando l'espressione del modulo e della fase.

Il diagramma e' simmetrico, in quanto [unparseable or potentially dangerous latex formula], pertanto puoi ottenere il diagramma polare completo, ribaltando la curva inferiore rispetto all'asse reale.
Re: Diagramma di Nyquist https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=76431#p801236 jayeffe 2019-01-06T18:50:19Z 2019-01-06T18:50:19Z
Con i limiti che ho calcolato mi trovo cosi (foto inserita da G.Schgor) ovviamente per simmetria devo tracciare anche la circorferenza nel primo quadrante
Re: Diagramma di Nyquist https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=76431#p801235 DrCox 2019-01-06T18:45:42Z 2019-01-06T18:45:42Z
1) Ripeti i calcoli considerando separatamente i limiti per:
+\infty
-\infty
0^+
0^-

2) Cosa puoi dedurre dai risultati? Come deve comportarsi il grafico?
Re: Diagramma di Nyquist https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=76431#p801233 jayeffe 2019-01-06T18:22:26Z 2019-01-06T18:22:26Z
Ecco i calcoli

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Re: Diagramma di Nyquist https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=76431#p801230 EdmondDantes 2019-01-06T18:05:34Z 2019-01-06T18:05:34Z
Puoi riportare i calcoli, come richiesto da Foto Utenteg.schgor?
Re: Diagramma di Nyquist https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=76431#p801229 jayeffe 2019-01-06T18:04:24Z 2019-01-06T18:04:24Z
Si, provando a mano non mi trovo appunto con Walfram ..
mi sono calcolato i limiti a 0 e infinito e mi trovo come G.Schgor
Re: Diagramma di Nyquist https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=76431#p801228 EdmondDantes 2019-01-06T17:59:21Z 2019-01-06T17:59:21Z
Hai provato a tracciare il disegno qualitativo a mano?
Scrivi la funzione [unparseable or potentially dangerous latex formula], esplicitando in seguito il modulo e la fase.


Come ti ha detto Foto Utenteg.schgor, riporta i tuoi calcoli analitici.

P.S.
Anche qui vale la firma di Foto UtenteIsidoroKZ, parafrasandola.
Per utilizzare WolframAlpha, bisogna conoscere più matematica di lui. :mrgreen: