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Latest posts from topic “Calcolare Potenza Generatori in regime sinusoidale” Latest posts from topic “Calcolare Potenza Generatori in regime sinusoidale” on “ElectroYou”. 2019-08-24T17:08:51Z https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=78528 Re: Calcolare Potenza Generatori in regime sinusoidale https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=78528#p825797 Elekim 2019-10-12T12:10:35Z 2019-10-12T12:10:35Z
[quote="console6"]
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Andava fatto questo rispetto al circuito di partenza dopo tutti i passaggi, come diceva isidoro

Si grazie, infatti l' avevo scritto nel mio ultimo post
Re: Calcolare Potenza Generatori in regime sinusoidale https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=78528#p825790 console6 2019-10-12T09:58:30Z 2019-10-12T09:58:30Z

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Andava fatto questo rispetto al circuito di partenza dopo tutti i passaggi, come diceva isidoro
Re: Calcolare Potenza Generatori in regime sinusoidale https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=78528#p823843 Elekim 2019-09-18T17:58:25Z 2019-09-18T17:58:25Z
Ecco l' errore, era nel calcolo delle potenze dei generatori
Anzichè questo
[quote="Elekim"]

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Andava fatto questo giustamente:
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Qualche moderatore può marcare la discussione come risolta ora!
Re: Calcolare Potenza Generatori in regime sinusoidale https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=78528#p822856 Elekim 2019-09-02T20:37:31Z 2019-09-02T20:37:31Z
Grazie per la risposta!
Sì, mi trovo con i segni (avevo sbagliato a trascrivere dal foglio)
A questo punto non so quale possa essere questo "errore di calcolo delle potenze" secondo il prof... mi confronterò con lui e vi aggiornerò (in ogni caso credo lui abbia frainteso l' ultimo passaggio)
Re: Calcolare Potenza Generatori in regime sinusoidale https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=78528#p822651 admin 2019-08-30T22:17:53Z 2019-08-30T22:17:53Z
[quote="Elekim"]
Cosa ne pensate del procedimento?

Il procedimento va bene, ma c'è confusione sui segni.
Ad esempio se metti il + della tensione su R_4 a destra, V_4 prodotta da E_2 non deve avere il segno meno, mentre il segno meno ci va nel calcolo di I_4 prodotta da J_1 con riferimento ai versi che hai indicato nello schema.
Re: Calcolare Potenza Generatori in regime sinusoidale https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=78528#p822644 RLC 2019-08-30T20:58:50Z 2019-08-30T20:58:50Z
Ho trovato la risposta alla mia domanda, come non detto
Re: Calcolare Potenza Generatori in regime sinusoidale https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=78528#p822626 RLC 2019-08-30T17:02:28Z 2019-08-30T17:02:28Z
Ciao
Perchè quei due fattori \frac{1}{2} per il calcolo delle P?
Re: Calcolare Potenza Generatori in regime sinusoidale https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=78528#p822607 Elekim 2019-08-30T14:02:17Z 2019-08-30T14:02:17Z
C'è qualcuno?
Cosa ne pensate del procedimento?
È corretto?
Re: Calcolare Potenza Generatori in regime sinusoidale https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=78528#p822394 Elekim 2019-08-27T19:41:16Z 2019-08-27T19:41:16Z
[quote="EdmondDantes"]
Utilizza FidoCadJ
Usare LaTeX per le formule.
Scrivi i testi dei due problemi e i dati.


[quote="IsidoroKZ"]
Per risolvere il problema bisogna conoscere tensioni e correnti sui generatori. Un modo per ridurre i calcoli potrebbe essere quello di trovare l'equivalente Thevenin di j1 e R4,

Grazie mille per l' aiuto ragazzi, specialemente a Isidoro per la risposta esaustiva. In realtà è più semplice di quello che sembra. Il prof mi aveva scritto "errore nel calcolo delle potenze"
Scusate se rispondo in ritardo ma anche essendo iscritto al thread non mi erano arrivate le mail.

Non avevo mai usato FidoCadJ. Allego il circuito fatto per bene


Devo calcolare le potenze attive e reattive erogate dai 2 generatori.
Ecco i dati del problema:
R_1 = 100 \, \Omega
R_2 = 200   \, \Omega
R_3 = 180  \, \Omega
R_4 = 140  \, \Omega
L =  0,4 \, \text{H}
C = 0,0001 \, \text{F}
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E vi mostro come l'ho svolto io:

Passo nel dominio dei fasori
Z_1=100
Z_2=200
Z_3=180
Z_4=140
Z_L=jωL = 20j
Z_L= \frac{1}{jwC}= -50j

Applico sovrapposizione degli effetti

----------------PRIMO CIRCUITO-->C' lascio acceso il gen. E_{2} e spengo J_{1}

Z_{1C}= Z_1//Z_C = 20-40 \text{j}
Z_{2L}= Z_2//Z_L = 1,98+19,801 \text{j}
V_{3}= E_{2}  \frac{Z_{3}}   {Z_{1C} +Z_{2L} +Z_{3} + Z_{4} }= 41,961 +2,478 \text{j}
I_{3}= V_3/Z_3= 0,233+0,013j\text{j}
V_{4} = -E_2\frac{Z_{4}}   {Z_{1C} +Z_{2L} +Z_{3} + Z_{4} }= -32,636-1,927 \text{j}
I_{4}= V_4/Z_4= -0,233+0,013 \text{j}

-------------Adesso passo al SECONDO CIRCUITO--->C'' lascio acceso il gen. J_{1} e spengo E_{2}
Z_{1C} e Z_{2L} hanno lo stesso valore calcolato in C'
Z_{eq}= Z_{1C}+Z_3+Z_{2L}= 201,98 -20,199 \text{j}

I_{4} = J  \frac{Z_{eq}}{Z_{eq} +Z_{4}} = 0,355 -0,014 \text{j}

I_{eq}= J \frac{Z_{4}}{Z_{eq} +Z_{4}}= 0,244 -0,014 \text{j}

I_3{eq} = I_{eq} = 0,244 -0,014 \text{j}

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Calcolo I_3 totale sommando [unparseable or potentially dangerous latex formula] (del primo circuito) e [unparseable or potentially dangerous latex formula](del secondo circuito)= 0.01 +2,35 \times 10^{-4} \text{j}

Calcolo I_4 totale sommando [unparseable or potentially dangerous latex formula] (del primo circuito) e [unparseable or potentially dangerous latex formula] (del secondo circuito)= 0.122 - 10^{-3} \text{j}

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Calcolo le potenze dei generatori
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Re: Calcolare Potenza Generatori in regime sinusoidale https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=78528#p822232 IsidoroKZ 2019-08-24T17:08:51Z 2019-08-24T17:08:51Z
Poco fa mi sono svegliato, ho preso il tablet per controllare la posta e ho visto questa domanda. Ancora mezzo addormentato ho risposto. Poi mi sono accorto che avevo scritto una fesseria e per fortuna ho cancellato prima di inviare la risposta. Adesso, con il profumo di caffe` (decaffeinato) che mi sto facendo provo a recuperare la risposta, con un importante caveat!

Per risolvere il problema bisogna conoscere tensioni e correnti sui generatori. Un modo per ridurre i calcoli potrebbe essere quello di trovare l'equivalente Thevenin di j1 e R4, riconoscere che questo equivalente e` in serie a e2 ed R3, e semplificare cosi` il circuito. Sfrutto il disegno fidocad fatto da Foto UtenteEdmondDantes (vedi a cosa serve fidocad? Non devo rifare il disegno, prendo quello gia` fatto e lo modifico).



In questo modo calcoli la corrente It senza dover usare la sovrapposizione, facendo un conto solo. E adesso il caveat.

ACHTUNG! Thevenin e potenze non sono compatibili: quando si calcola un equivalente Thevenin (o Norton) si perde la possibilita` di calcolare le potenze sul circuito che e` stato "thevenato". In pratica non si puo` trovare dal circuito equivalente la potenza erogata da j1. Quelle assorbite ed erogate fuori dall'equivalente sono OK, ma quella di j1 no. Bisogna tornare al circuito di partenza, questa volta conoscendo pero` gia` la corrente It.



La potenza erogata dal generatore di tensione vale E_2 I_t^* (tutti fasori, ovviamente), mentre la potenza erogata dal generatore di corrente vale J_1 V^* con V la tensione ai suoi capi, che calcoli come [unparseable or potentially dangerous latex formula]

Secondo caveat: Non si puo` usare la sovrapposizione degli effetti con le potenze. Sara` mica questo il motivo per cui il prof ti ha detto che la tua soluzione non andava?