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Latest posts from topic “[Esercizio Controllo automatico]” Latest posts from topic “[Esercizio Controllo automatico]” on “ElectroYou”. 2019-01-08T11:46:20Z https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=76436 Re: [Esercizio Controllo automatico] https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=76436#p801663 FabY 2019-01-10T09:34:37Z 2019-01-10T09:34:37Z
Ho capito tutto. Informazioni preziose . Grazie.

:ok: :ok:

=D> =D>
Re: [Esercizio Controllo automatico] https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=76436#p801458 EdmondDantes 2019-01-08T18:25:41Z 2019-01-08T18:25:41Z
[quote="MarcoD"]Probabilmente dovresti riferirti solo a EdmondDantes,

io ritengo che dovrebbe riferirsi solo a Foto Utentedimaios: io sono solo un tirafili che cerca di combattere con le espressioni e qualche moltiplicazione :mrgreen:

Ricapitoliamo.
Lo schema a blocchi e' il seguente


Esplicitiamo i vari termini
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Svolgendo qualche passaggio algebrico e sostituendo la prima espressione di E

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In definitiva, l'uscita Y vale:

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Conosci le regole di riduzione degli schemi a blocchi?
Una di queste regole ci permette di spostare un sommatore a monte di un blocco, inserendo un ulteriore blocco come da schema


E' chiaro, dato che l'ingresso Z non deve essere moltiplicato per C(s), no?

Possiamo assorbire i due sommatori e ridurre i due blocchi in cascata:

Adesso si applica la regola piu' importante: l'eliminazione dell'anello

Da questo schema finale si ricava l'espressione di Y.

P.S.
Tutti questi passaggi si facevano a mente. Basta un minimo di pratica.
Re: [Esercizio Controllo automatico] https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=76436#p801453 MarcoD 2019-01-08T17:24:01Z 2019-01-08T17:24:01Z
Siete ad un livello elevato di conoscenza in questo campo.

Probabilmente dovresti riferirti solo a EdmondDantes,
io ritengo di aver acquisito anni fa solo un livello passabile di conoscenza e qualche modesta esperienza :-)
Re: [Esercizio Controllo automatico] https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=76436#p801442 FabY 2019-01-08T15:31:17Z 2019-01-08T15:31:17Z
Mi sono accorto che non scherzate per niente. Siete ad un livello elevato di conoscenza in questo campo.
Io sono un tipo che quando c'e' qualcosa che non capisce va nel panico e combina qualche pasticcio pero' sono testardo e su le cose ci ritorno sopra.
I tuoi preziosi suggerimenti li avrei senz'altro riletti e riguardati piu' volte.
Re: [Esercizio Controllo automatico] https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=76436#p801438 EdmondDantes 2019-01-08T14:52:17Z 2019-01-08T14:52:17Z
Lo so.
Non scrivo per dire qualcosa...
Più tardi sistemo le tue espressioni e ti faccio vedere come risolverlo tramite la riduzione dei blocchi, come ti ho già accennato.
Re: [Esercizio Controllo automatico] https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=76436#p801435 FabY 2019-01-08T14:36:55Z 2019-01-08T14:36:55Z
Buona a sapersi.
Nei prossimi esercizi provo a semplificare.
Comunque ritornando a l'esercizio appena svolto , sarei riuscito a risolverlo molto prima se stavo attento alle tue indicazioni.
Quando mi avevi scritto di stare attento a i segni .
Per questo ti ringrazio e ti saluto.
Re: [Esercizio Controllo automatico] https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=76436#p801430 MarcoD 2019-01-08T14:11:23Z 2019-01-08T14:11:23Z
Faccio fatica a leggere le formule nello schema a blocchi ! Infatti non tento !

Per risolvere adopero il seguente criterio:

Ricordo che puoi ridurre uno schema a blocchi complesso a uno schema semplificato
con:
un ingresso I (oppure S set per gli inglesofoni)
una uscita U ( oppure O output)
un nodo sottrattore
un blocco diretto G
un blocco di reazione H
ingresso/uscita = G/(1+GH)

Nel tuo caso hai un ingresso U , un ingresso Z,
una uscita Y
tre blocchi: C controller P plant H feedback

i conti puoi farli a mente
:-) O_/
Re: [Esercizio Controllo automatico] https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=76436#p801427 EdmondDantes 2019-01-08T13:56:08Z 2019-01-08T13:56:08Z
Ci sentiamo stasera. Tu intanto scrivi l'espressione completa di Y(s).
Re: [Esercizio Controllo automatico] https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=76436#p801425 FabY 2019-01-08T13:47:24Z 2019-01-08T13:47:24Z
Questa e' la rappresentazione delle equazioni nei vari rami .




Ci sono :
facendo un po' di calcoli .

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Risposta : A


Mi stimo e mi incoraggio :ok:
Saluti
Re: [Esercizio Controllo automatico] https://www.electroyou.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=76436#p801423 EdmondDantes 2019-01-08T11:46:20Z 2019-01-08T11:46:20Z
Di nuovo?
Come fai a scrivere Y=EC(s)?
1) Y è l'uscita del blocco P(s).
2) secondo te Z non influenza Y?

P.S.
Y non y